The Ugly Podcast is where I chat with other creatives and industry professionals about the creative process. The podcast is “ugly” because I didn’t know how to produce a podcast when I first started this thing (and I still largely don’t), but I do it anyway in the spirit of ugly art—that is, making something bad in order to subvert perfectionism. If you ever feel alone in your creative struggle or like your art needs to look a certain way for it to have worth, this podcast is for you.